The fee charged by the State of Hawaii when submitting your annual report is twenty-five dollars and Workplace Compliance Services was asking for an additional $75 as a "processing fee", for a total amount of $100 that LLC owners were being asked to pay. I would also like to point-out that there is no way to tell if these people will actually take care of filing your LLC's annual report, even if you pay them. They could just take your money and run.
Workplace Compliance Services and similar outfits have worked their respective schemes in several States already, so Hawaii isn't their first rodeo.
I've Got Their Number
The toll-free number they provide to contact them is 877-770-3555 and it comes up in Internet searches related to past and ongoing mailings these people have sent. The top result of my first Googling of this number reveals what may be either a previous or simultaneous incarnation of this company, called "Business Compliance Services", which was reported in Georgia. I've seen other posts about a company calling itself "Corporate Compliance Services", which was active in 2016 but there are no recent posts about them.
People have also reported receiving calls from that number, though messages weren't left on their voicemail, so it seems that mailing letters is their preferred method of operating. The reports are found on WhoCallsMe and 800Notes.
Interestingly, the phone number also comes up in a search as having been posted in a classified ad in The Employment Guide Northern New Jersey in the October 20 -26, 2014 edition on page seven. I tried a WhoIs for the website GuitarsForCash.com and came up with nothing. I doubt if it's the same people, though. The toll-free number was probably abandoned by the guitar guys and later purchased by the new ones.
The postal stamp on a letter received in Hawaii indicates that the place of origin was in zip code 33912, which is Fort Myers, Florida.
I actually called the number to see what would happen and heard a voicemail message. It's a professionally-done recording and the woman's voice betrayed no accent. The voice seems to be of a Caucasian woman, which is the only thing I could get out of listening to the message twice. Their business hours are from 9:00am to 5:00pm Eastern Standard Time, which lines up well enough with the Florida zip code on the letters received.
The mailing addresses provided in their mailings across the United States indicate a preference for using UPS Stores to receive their checks. A few examples:
Georgia: 4279 Roswell Rd NE Atlanta, GA 30342-3769
Hawaii: 4348 Waialae Ave #700, Honolulu, HI 96816
Louisiana: 721 Government St #103-118, Baton Rouge, LA 70802
Louisiana: 7350 Jefferson Highway, Suite 485-220, Baton Rouge, LA 70806
New Jersey: 1977 N. Olden Avenue Ext #650, Trenton, NJ 08618
Oregon: 2755 Commercial St SE Ste. 101-260 Salem, OR 97302
West Virginia: 3501 MacCorkle Ave SE #152, Charleston, WV 25304
Either they have a co-conspirator picking up the mail from these places and forwarding them to their actual headquarters or UPS may be forwarding them, but I don't know if UPS offers that kind of service.
In one letter sent out to Louisiana businesses, the letter states that all orders will be processed and shipped from their corporate office in Lansing, MI. So, we've gone from Fort Myers, FL to Lansing, MI which is over a thousand miles away.
My Call to Workplace Compliance Services
Being curious about how they would react to receiving a phone call that made more direct inquiries about their company, I decided to take a chance and give them a call. Using a Talkatone number, I called the number provided. After the initial recorded answer, I was forwarded to a woman named Emma. I asked her about who they are and what kind of services they offer in exchange for that $75 "processing fee".
Her response was fairly straightforward: they would file my report for me. I mentioned that LLCs in Hawaii can do all this in-person or online, without any additional fees, saving themselves any sort of extra charges. Since Workplace Compliance Services doesn't have an attorney or accountant in Hawaii to represent them or act on their behalf and they aren't even registered to do business in Hawaii themselves, sending them my money simply made no sense. I didn't mention I also didn't see what would stop them from just keeping my money and not doing anything for me.
She got a little cocky when I mentioned that the Better Business Bureau in Hawaii had posted a warning about those letters and she replied "The Better Business Bureau isn't the government.". In reply, I informed her that the DCCA had also posted a warning and that the DCCA is a government agency in the State of Hawaii. She had no answer to that point.
I also pointed-out that they're using a UPS mail drop in Honolulu as their mailing address, further raising suspicions about their legitimacy. If you've read this blog's other entries, you'd already know how scammers use mail drops, rather than a real address, in order to obscure their true location and prevent people from finding out where they are so that they could be served with court papers.
I asked for their actual location and was quite surprised when she gave it to me:
7718 Northport Drive
Lansing, MI 48917
A quick search reveals this to be a warehouse, rented for industrial use. There are listings of other companies using this as their mailing address and it's a pretty big place, too.
This fits-in quite well with what I noted earlier, that the orders placed with them would be processed from their office in Lansing. Of course, I'm left to wonder why they stopped putting that information on the mailers they sent out. It's probably because people are far less willing to send money out-of-State to a company they've never heard of to take care of something they can do themselves. Using a local address would make people feel easier, until they realized that it's a UPS mail drop. So, if there's no local office or representative, there's no one in your vicinity to whom you could complain or sue if the paperwork isn't filed. It just looks like they're just trying to lure people in by letting them think they're dealing with a local company, rather than outsiders.
The Company Behind the Mailings
I decided to find-out if Workplace Compliance Services is even a registered business in Michigan. Again, I was quite surprised to discover that it is and you can see their registration here. Workplace Compliance Services is actually a dba (doing business as) company under the parent corporation which is called ANS, Incorporated. There are several "assumed names" - as they are known in Michigan - operating under the umbrella of ANS, Inc:
- BUSINESS COMPLIANCE SERVICES
- FLORIDA ASSUMED NAME SERVICES
- FLORIDA FICTITIOUS NAME PUBLISHING
- MAIL PROCESSING CENTER
- NATIONAL PASSPORT EXPRESS
- WORKPLACE COMPLIANCE SERVICES
Business Compliance Services and Workplace Compliance Services were both registered on the same day, 7 February 2018.
The company is owned by Steven Fata and the address on the registration matches the address Emma gave me, so that part of it was truthful. Steven acts as president, treasurer, secretary and director for ANS, Inc.
The Unsinkable Fata Brothers
Steven Fata may be engaging in some questionable behavior with these mailings to LLCs in Hawaii, but he's not an idiot. Acting as his registered agent is attorney David R Brake of the law firm Knaggs Brake, P.C. in Lansing, MI. and David is a certified attorney in US District Courts, as well as the US Supreme Court. That kind of expertise must have come in handy, when Steven faced legal repercussions for some bullshit he tried to pull in the past.
For your own edification, here is Mr Brake's contact information:
DAVID R BRAKE, ESQ
7521 WESTSHIRE DR STE 100
LANSING, MI 48917
TELEPHONE: 517-622-0590
Back in 2013, Steven Fata got into a bit of trouble for allegedly misleading small businesses where his company, called Corporate Records Services, offered a service in exchange for money. That's not a problem in itself, except that they had no real right to charge for it.
The Better Business Bureau put out an alert on another company Steve was associated with, The Mandatory Poster Agency, Inc., which he co-owned with Joe Fata and Thomas Fata. The three brothers were also sued in 2015 by the Michigan State Attorney General who filed a suit to shutdown that company.
Steve and Thomas got into more trouble in 2014, when they got sued for alleged misleading mailings sent from their company, Corporate Records Services. Several States had initiated legal action against the Fata brothers.
Even a State as far from Michigan as Delaware was a legal battleground for Steve and his brothers. If you're such an asshole in Michigan that Delaware hates you, you're probably not going to have many friends in the other 48 States.
I have to admit that, it must be worth it for them. After all the legal trouble into which they've found themselves embroiled, they must be making enough money from it all or else they would have quit years ago.
Then again, they could just be too stupid to realize that they'll eventually always get caught and sued.
I'm Such A Rat Fink
Taking the information I've gathered about Workplace Compliance Services and collecting it all on one page (actually, the back of one of the letters they mailed to a Hawaii LLC) I paid a visit to the offices of the Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs in Downtown Honolulu and handed it off to the clerk on-duty.
When I mentioned the letter from Workplace Compliance Services, she immediately reached over to a stack of papers next to her on the counter and handed me one. They've received so many complaints about those letters, that they keep a stack of the DCCA's statement and warning on the counter to handout.
But, I showed her the information I'd gathered and told her where I got it from, her eyes immediately brightened and she greedily read all the information like it was a map to buried treasure. Hawaii State attorneys are apparently already gathering information on their own for potential action against the people behind it. They may already have had the information I gave them, but it didn't hurt to offer a little help.
Hawaii State attorneys may soon get in-touch with ANS, Inc's attorney, Mr David R Brake, Esq. As I said, he's a pretty qualified attorney, but let's see how good he is if history repeats itself and he has to deal with dozens of lawyers from across the country. The Fata brothers' track record isn't exactly stellar in the courtroom.
The Fakery Continues
This is an update that I'm posting on 12 January 2019.
I just learned that Workplace Compliance Services has a website and here it is
https://www.workplacecomplianceannualreport.com/optin
I found it interesting that Steven Fata is doubling-down with his little endeavor by actually building a site for it. However, if you scroll to the bottom, the links for Contact, Privacy Policy and Terms & Conditions haven't been established. They also have a Twitter page and a YouTube channel. While the Twitter account has over 90 followers, the YouTube channel has only one subscriber and the videos all have comments disabled, which isn't very brave of them.
The main website is anonymously registered through GoDaddy and the registrant is a company called Domains By Proxy, LLC. The IP address is out of California and the server is Cloudflare, a company I have previously mentioned for its affiliation with less-than-savory websites.
But, I really got a laugh out of those "testimonials" near the bottom of the page with the accompanying photos. Let's have a look:
This is actually a stock photo. Here's the source page.
Another stock photo. You can find it here.
The best-dressed of the three, though also a stock photo.
UPDATE: all of these pictures and their accompanying "reviews" have been deleted from the site.
Conclusions
The only real way to stop Steven Fata is to hit him with a fine so big that it would easily eclipse all the money he's made with Workplace Compliance Services and Business Compliance Services. If he makes more money than he loses, it only encourages him to keep going. Why stop when it's profitable?
There's a saying that Steven Fata seems to have lived by: "Stupid people deserve to get swindled.".
Workplace Compliance Services and Business Compliance Services have only been around for five months, as of this blog post. In that short amount of time, they've already achieved nationwide notoriety.
Sadly, they aren't the only people out there doing this and the only way to make them stop is to hurt them financially more than they've hurt other people. If the States don't burn these guys down to the financial ground, they'll just keep going.
Duane Browning
10 comments:
Thanks for this Duane!
I live in Portland OR and have a registered individual LLC and received this letter from Workplace Compliance Services
I was really concerned about this and A quick look up revealed the scam.
It really should be stopped by state governments - or better- the states should prevent any private entity to provide annual report registration services by business proxy or charge for it.
P. Mazzucca
I received the letter too, they asked me pay $185 with the completed form. and request respond by 3/1/19... this is scammer organization. hope the FBI track them down and put them to jail.
I just received a letter here in NJ. It's been a while since this information was dug up here and elsewhere and it looks like there is no legal recourse to stop these. The 2015 lawsuit in Michigan was dismissed. That is really unfortunate, but the letters are well worded (legally).
Thanks for pulling all this information together.
i just got the letter here in Colorado with a Denver address
Got the Workplace Compliance Services Form in the mail the other day showing an address in Colorado, 18601 Green Valley Ranch Blvd, Ste 108-361, Denver, CO 80249 which is a UPS store with mail boxes. I don't plan on paying them the $95 they are insisting that I pay or be at risk for penalties and fines, according to them.
Thanks for the heads up and the work you have done.
SteveK
Got the Workplace Compliance Services Form in the mail the other day showing an address in Colorado, 18601 Green Valley Ranch Blvd, Ste 108-361, Denver, CO 80249 which is a UPS store with mail boxes. I don't plan on paying them the $95 they are insisting that I pay or be at risk for penalties and fines, according to them.
Thanks for the heads up and the work you have done.
SteveK
Thanks for the info. I received a Periodic Instruction Form from the same group for a Colorado LLC. It didn't pass the smell test in my mind hence I started looking on-line for background. You told me all I need to know.
Nice work. Thank you.
I received a letter as you mention from Workplace Compliance Services out of Salem Oregon in March of this year.
Every year via Oregon State website I update and pay a fee for my LLC so I looked at the letter as BS.
Just today 6/7/19 I get a robo call which right off says there was a claim against me
Not knowing WTH this was about but hung up and then decided to call the phone # the call came from
Right off the bat some woman asked if that was my name she mentioned, was pushing me to say was me and keep asking to confirm my social security ( she had it correct) but I refused to say if was correct
I asked her 4 times who she was, and what this was all about, she refused and then hung up on me before again saying there was a claim against me
Linda weird since I thought a LLC, people wanting legal action are not to go directly to a manger of a LLC but to the company the LLC was started with ?
My apologies to everyone who posted a comment, but didn’t see it posted right away. Google had disabled comments on Blogspot for a long time and I neglected to check for any updates.
I have gone through all pending comments, approved most and deleted the spam.
I will be more diligent about checking my pending comments in the future.
Duane
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